Q&A with Chris Cornell
Sheila Rene': Hello Chris. Top of the afternoon. How are you?
Chris Cornell: Hello to you. I'm pretty good.
SR: One mighty swell album you've come up with here.
CC: Thank you.
SR: What was the favorite part of the recording for you?
CC: I don't know. It's such a long process these days. Not really easier. We wrote
a lot in the studio this time. We've never done this much in the studio. Someone
could bring something in half way through and we could deal with it but I figure
half was done in the studio. We spent more time in the studio in a way, but at the
same time a lot of time was writing. Had we had all the songs finished it would
have been considerably less time in the studio.
SR: You guys have always done a large portion of the albums yourself.
CC: That's true. I've gotten a lot of feedback suggesting that over the history of
Soundgarden we've had these different producers forced on us; and that we were
finally at a level where we could insist on producing ourselves. That's not the
case at all. Whatever criticism I have on the production of previous albums, those
producers were our choice and we thought they would help us with certain
aspects of the project. It's true we got what we wanted, but there's always
something else left to be desired. This time we just hired ourselves. We're just the
best ones for the job.
SR: Adam Kasper, your engineer even plays a little. I love your experimentation
with different instruments. Moog and piano on "Applebite." The mandolin and
mandela. (I stumbled over the pronunciation here)
CC: (laughing) He played a few things. I don't know what's it's called, the
mandela? I barely know how to play one.
SR: You know how to play a lot of instruments. Didn't you start out playing
drums. Do you ever miss it?
CC: Yeah, I did. I still play drums every once in awhile, but it's a hard
instrument especially when it comes to making a record. The drummer has to be
the guide. If the guitar screws up you can go back in and if the singer messes up
or changes his mind about the vocals, he can go back in. The drummer has to
play the song really well from beginning to end. His playing will last forever and
once it's done, it's done.That's pretty hard. I played in bands for years and did a
lot of live performing but have never made any records on drums.
SR: Any left over songs on this album?
CC: We had two finished that didn't end up on the album. They were supposed to
be on it, but we were mastering and trying to sequence. It was really hard to
sequence anyway and with the other two songs that would have made 18 songs.
It's almost impossible to do that because when it comes to sequencing you try to
tell a story from beginning to end. It should sound like a performance while the
moods change. It's like programming a radio station in a way, where all the
transitions make sense and you're taking the listener through the different moods.
You can't go back because that mood has already happened.
SR: This is the most songs I've seen on a CD this year. The trend has been 13
songs.
CC: Really, our last record was 15 songs with longer running times on it. We
maybe have some shorter record times on this record. Otherwise, in my opinion,
as far as what we ended up with, is just a lot of different aspects of the band.
SR: Some exciting aspects I might add.
CC: The whole idea is when people tend to be surprised by our last couple of
records. You experiment and you have fun. You're supposed to be inspired, I
think. When people act surprised at something new we've done then I'm surprised
since they don't know the band that well. The question is still asked 'Why didn't
you go make a record like the last one?'
SR: If there's one thing I can depend upon with Soundgarden is some new
tweaking and turning. You named the album after recording this time.
CC: That was the last thing we did was to title it. We had everything else done
including artwork. Normally, at some time in the recording process somebody
comes up with a title and we bite on it; and before it's finished we've set a title.
This time it just didn't happen. It was a difficult album to title because there are
so many feels going on. It's hard to find a title that would allow all those feelings
to be represented. We had the song "Superunknown" on the last album and it just
made it so easy. It just made sense because superunknown could be anything.
Down On The Upside was an idea that was thrown out a long time ago. We were
waiting around to see if something else would happen and we tried some of them,
but this title works. It describes the trip of the record.
SR: Are you getting nervous about your first live TV show?
CC: I started getting nervous about that a long time ago. I'm less nervous now
than a was two months ago. It was that when I agreed to do it, I question why I
had said yes. Then, a period of thinking about and now that I know it's really
happening. No point in being nervous now.
SR: You never know what Jim Carrey will do. He may even come out and
perform.(Carrey didn't perform with the band; however, they got two songs and
Carrey introduced them. He was very happy they were there for him).
CC: That's true. He's the real reason why we ended up doing "Saturday Night
Live". He had expressed serious interest in us. Apparently to the point of saying
that it was 'part of the deal.' If we didn't play, he might not host. The first time I
heard that I though it was just the SNL organization giving our record label a
blow-job or something trying to get us to play. We'd been offered the show
several times and we turned it down. He's supposedly really into our band. You
never know when that happens to people. We know it'll be a great show because
he's so damn funny. If we are going to do it ever in our career, now is the time.
SR: Is this CD coming out as an enhanced? Are they having to drag you into this
electronic age?
CC: Susan, our manager was really into trying the technology out when we did
that CD-plus. It was something starting to happen and now rather than get into it
five years from now, she thought it would really cool for us to check it out now
while we had the resources. Right now the situation is where a lot of
programmers and software companies are donating a lot of free time because
they're exploring the medium. They all want to be the first one to do it or to cash
in on it. That was a really a great time to try it out, on the CD-plus. It was pretty
much a great experience through the whole thing. It was really cool. We weren't
as concerned about it when we're making a record because it's not something we
really do. I have this fear which I expressed in a lot of those interviews when our
CD-plus came out. It's something you should be able to do if you want to. I'm
sure a lot of fans will like it and people into computers. I'd hate for it to be a
requirement of a band who's putting out a record and they have to have all this
visual information as well. Generally, bands aren't computer programmers or
animators so it would mean that half of the release has to be influenced by
someone else and should have nothing to with the music. We've already seen it
happen in the last 15 years of videos where that's sometimes a requirement.
Every time a band puts out a record they have to worry about this whole other
thing which has little or nothing to do with the band and what they were really
trying to do with the music or what they want to be in a band for.
SR: I heard you weren't going to release a particular single?
CC: I don't think we've ever done one. We've done things in Europe because
that's the way they sell albums.
SR: I was wondering around your website today and checked out the contest to
name the site.
CC: I don't keep up with that. We have an official and an unofficial site. Matt
pays attention to the websites. He was on recently thanking some people for
something and right after that some fake Matt Cameron's got on and started
spreading a lot of bullshit.
SR: I'm still impressed with your policy to release the vinyl first. I still miss the
vinyl man.
CC: It's strange, simply because when the format changed, it wasn't really an
organic change. It was a forced change. If you go into Tower Records, Sam
Goody or Musicland, the places where 80% of people buy their music, there's no
option to buy vinyl. It's not there and it's too bad. The funny part is, I remember
when I was younger the only shops that would sell CD players were the
audiophile shops where everything was really expensive. Now the only place you
can buy a new turntable is you go back to those same places that were responsible
for switching the format. A lot of the audiophiles like the vinyl so much more.
SR: I've keep my vinyl up and accessible with a good needle. I even have my old
78 rpm changer.
CC: Good for you. I haven't actually heard our record on vinyl yet but we went
to great pains this time. We actually mastered specifically for vinyl because the
CD is obviously like a digital master. On our last album the vinyl was actually
pressed from a digital master so it didn't really sound like vinyl. This time we
remastered for analog so it'll be direct from analog.
SR: I can't help thinking that it was nice for a change for you guys to stay at
home and work in Stone's studio and at Bad Animals.
CC: I don't know why people leave. A lot of the time I guess it has to do with
focus and there's a certain amount of that with us as well. We're all at home and
people wander off and maybe not here when they should be or when they said
they'd be. Then at the same time everybody is more relaxed and I'm not sure I'd
want to be somewhere else where everybody had nothing to do except to always
be there on the record. For us it just seemed the best way to go.
SR: I'm really looking forward to this show. Metallica, you and Screaming Trees
is a win, win, win not to mention the special activities. June 21st you kickoff.
Nothing in Austin yet, and I hear it's Aggieland (Bryan, Texas) for the only show
in Texas on July 25 at the Texas World Speedway.
CC: The list I have doesn't have any dates on it. They're trying to play bigger
venues, less sites and bigger venues. Everything is happening out of major
markets. It looks like the Seattle area may not get a show at all.
SR: Were you terribly uncomfortable at the recent Grammy Award Show?
CC: I don't know. It's just a strange subject. It's almost as if the music industry is
patting itself on the back in a way. This was the seventh Grammy nomination for
us and had we won one for our first nomination I would have had a really cool
attitude about it because it would have meant that the people who were actually
voting were paying attention to music for music's sake as opposed to some other
reason. I was happy that we were nominated because it was an independent record
company and it was a low-profile record. Then we didn't win a Grammy until
we'd sold several millions and it seems that what sells a lot, that the record may
or may not be any good, but that seems to be a requirement. I'm not critical of
the people who work in the music industry and appreciate the Grammy. To me
it's their party and it's not really mine. It's not for the musicians. It has more to
do with the industry. You can tell after a Grammy period all the record labels
and artists who won a bunch take out full-page ads in the trades gloating.That's
fine.That's what they do, they sell records and they work really hard to develop
careers. If they're into it I'm not going to be disrespectful, but I'd hate for
anyone to think that it's something that was a necessity for me or the rest of the
band, or that it was a benchmark to us of legitimacy for us because it's not. It
doesn't really matter that much to us. It seems like it's for someone else. I'd
never get up and say that. If I was totally not into it the best thing to do is to not
show up. Maybe ten years from now I'll reflect and say 'wow, that happened and
it was pretty unusual. Not every kid on the block gets to go up and pick up a
Grammy Award.' It's just one more thing to take the focus away from what we
like to do which is to write music and make records and try not to think about
anything whether it's how may records we sell or what people think of us. For
us, I think the key to success for being a band and always making good records is
always going to be forgetting about everything else outside our own little band.
SR: I think your success has always come from you always doing what pleases
you. What music you like.
CC: Sure and I'm a big fan of music. I buy hundreds of CDs. I'm not the kind of
guy who calls his record label to request some comps. I spend a lot of money on
discs and I don't think I would ever want a band or songwriter to think about me.
It's what he liked last time or this is what I think he'll like this time. I want
somebody who knows where they're coming from to be doing something they
like.
SR: Two of my favorite songs on this album, "Blow Up The Outside World" and
"Tighter And Tighter." I notice we still have black and sun sticking around.
CC: "Tighter And Tighter" was actually written around the same time as "Black
Hole Sun." In fact, I did a demo with four songs on it to play for the band. "Black
Hole Sun", "Sounds Like Days" ,"Tighter And Tighter" and a song called
"Anxious." We blew off "Anxious" entirely and recorded "Tighter And Tighter"
for the last record. It was the last song we did. It was number 16 and we ran out
of studio time. We had the rhythm tracks done and it was just needing vocals and
my guitar solos. We just ran out of time. It was falling flat anyway. I changed the
arrangement a little bit.
SR: Is that you talking on the intro of "Boot Camp?'
CC: I had some old, cheap pedal effect going into the amplifier and it picked up
the radio and it was really loud. So I just lifted the thing off and found a spot
in the room where it picked it up the best and we just ran a tape on it.
SR: I love the industrial-tinges on "Overfloater."
CC: That is kinda that, isn't it?
SR: On "Applebite" are you using a special mic there?
CC: I'm singing through a guitar pedal. This whole record is very low-tech.
SR: I've only listened about 15 times so far and I know that every time I go
straight through the album I notice something else that I like.
CC: Now that's the secret to us producing ourselves. It's something we've
overlooked for years but when you take a rock band and they know how to write
good songs and knows how to play, the production and recording part is really
easy. You take an amp and you put it in a room and put a mic in front of it and
you record. Generally with producers things get a lot more complicated than that,
and sometimes in that complicated process a really amazing thing will happen that
you wouldn't have otherwise done.
For the most part it's digressive and more confusing and if there's a lot going on
with an instrument you don't really know where to go to figure out the problem
because there's so much going on. It seems that it's been so easy for us to just go
out in a room and get a sound we like and put a mic in front of it and it just
sounds that way. We weren't positive that that was going to work but once we
started recording it. Granted we could have gotten better sounds on this record
technically speaking but you trade the vitality and energy that you have when you
play a song a couple of times and record it. When you play a song for two days
trying to get a special sound, clean and perfect. You might get a better sound but
you're not in any kind of mood to play that song anymore. You get numb to it. I
don't care who you are, unless you're a really good actor, it's hard.
SR: Do you listen to the whole album as soon as you finish?
CC: After we're done with a record I usually don't listen to it for three weeks or
so because I'm numb to the subtleties of it and what made me really like a song.
By that time I remember why I liked it. There've been times when I've really
enjoyed working with producers. I'm always open to learn and over the years
I've learned a lot. It's not necessary for us to have one. I don't know where that'll
put us next time or what will happen in the future. It's such a dice roll especially
if you don't know them. You'll get a producer you've never met before and you
like the records they've made and you talk to them and you think you're on the
same page but they don't know you as an individual in a band that's been together
for 12 years. I'm thinking if you want to use a producer you should have him
sitting around on the first one so he'll know who you are. That's why we used
Terry Date twice. We can go find a new guy or we can use Terry again, who at
this point knows very well what we're all about. It really works. Recording
Badmotorfinger was a hellava lot easier.
SR: I read the story in Billboard about you sitting around making wallets out of
duct tape. I realize everyone needs something to fall back on.
CC: If we could figure out a way to do it, we'd probably sell them on
Lollapalooza. It's labor intensive. You have to figure out a system where you
measure the strips and count how many strips it's supposed to be. One guy could
cut the tape and another guy assembling. Right now it takes me about two hours
to make one. You don't find this quality on the street.
If I could make a duct tape juicer or go to hand luggage maybe.
SR: Thank you for another great interview Chris. Give my regards to the band and Susan.