Q&A with Eric Wagner
Sheila Rene': Do you need to get yourself a beverage before we start?
Eric Wagner: No, I've been up since seven taking care of the kids who just
left for school. Then it'll be quieter for the interview blitz. It's day three.
SR: What's been the most interesting interview so far?
EW: Probably, R.I.P. Magazine out of Los Angeles. They've known us for
a long time even when Lonn Friend was there. U.S. Rocker was a good
one, Texas Beat was ok.
SR: What was the dumbest question?
EW: I don't know, because I've done 20 interviews already.
SR: Do you think doing interviews helps with the sales of the album?
EW: These are people out there that listen to our music. If they didn't like
our music they would not be doing the interview at all. It's a good way to
get the word out about what's going on with the band. The underground
people are the real fans.
SR: Are you traveling on the superhighway yet?
EW: I have a dinosaur of a computer that someone gave me.
SR: If you're not online, just where are you? is one of my new sayings.
EW: (laughing) I'm in Aurora, Illinois therefore I am.
SR: I'm eager to talk to you about all the troubles you've put behind you.
EW: It was war for a while. A lot of times it seemed like every man was
for himself. It's over and there is peace now.
SR: You managed to hold on through it all. It's not easy.
EW: One of the main motivations for me to do a new record was that I
didn't want "them" to dictate to me and my life. Even walking away from
something, if I did it and it was my idea, I could live with that. If someone
else f**ked up and dictated my demise, I can't deal with that. This album
was a little more aggressive and angrier than our other albums because of
those circumstances.
SR: You've not fallen into the grunge basket either. It's just straight ahead
rock and roll.
EW: Pretty much. I've been sitting here since the end of June and I
stepped back a little bit and did nothing. Now that the album is coming out
in late January, and I'm doing all these interviews, I've got the itch to get
on the road. Now I'm getting all excited about the album and touring. I'm
working out in the gym to get in shape. You have to be healthy to do what
we do on the road. You can only party so much.
SR: I've been playing this album of yours for months now. What are the
signs from Europe since they've had it since April?
EW: Very good so far. It's hard for us to really know how things really
are. We're already working on new material and it's just coming out in the
U.S.
Century Media wants another record.
SR: How did you get hooked up with Century Media?
EW: Germany came calling first after we got our release. Century Media
found out about us and we already had the album recorded. We took our
time to find folks who believed in this project and would actually work the
record to radio. So far, they've been on the ball. As long as everyone gives
100% and does their job, then if you win or lose, it's ok.
SR: Plastic Green Head is right in target with our troops leaving for
Europe today.
EW: Not only that, but there are another couple of meanings for me. It's
also about the establishment, the money men who keep us poor people
down or tries to anyway. Then it's the guy on the corner selling reefer.
There are more than a few of us green heads around.
SR: I love the CD with all the plants represented.
EW: That picture is real. It was shot by a friend of ours who lives in
Holland.
SR: "Opium-Eater" is one of my favs.
EW: Mine too. It's just about me getting stoned and writing the lyrics. I do
all the lyrics on this album. Bruce and Rick handle the music.
SR: I think the singer has to be involved in the lyrics all the time.
EW: A couple of times over the years they've tried to help out, but get mad
when I change it. The lyrics were not how I talk, think or feel. It was
different growing up in Europe.
SR: Did you go nuts over the new Beatle tracks? Did you catch it all?
EW: I love 'em. Of course I did. I didn't tape it because there is a ten hour
version on them. It seems with all the stupid commercials, they cut the
songs off early. I would assume in the ten hour version there won't be any
commercials. I understood what they were saying, especially at the end.
I haven't ever been on their level, but you do get sick of being around each
other all the time. It happened to us.
SR: Did you like the two new songs?
EW: I think "Free As A Bird" would get a B- from me. It's still the
Beatles.
SR: I bought the special CD that came with an interview CD.
EW: I don't like the early stuff as much as the material starting with
Rubber Soul and Revolver.
SR: "Tomorrow Never Knows" is a wonderful Lennon/McCartney cut.
EW: I've been wanting to do that song for a long time. I didn't think we
were ready for it until this time. We have total control now. In the past
we've always had somebody we had to argue with. That's always been the
worst part. People who are supposed to be our allies were the ones we had
to argue with.
They didn't give us enough credit. We did this album ourselves. We
planned the covers and we got the talent we wanted to do all that.
SR: How'd you hear about Vincent. He has done some good albums i.e.
Machine Head.
EW: He's a good friend of ours from the San Francisco Bay Area. We get
along great with him. I thought it made for a great working astmosphere.
The family (us) is much healthier now. The people working with us love us
and that makes a big difference.
SR: What was his best quality besides being a good guy?
EW: Vinny is a great engineer and knows his way around the studio.
Sometimes when he walks out the front door, he doesn't have clue, but
inside the studio he knows exactly what's happening. Plus he's a baby Jerry
Lewis. For about four weeks, I was searching my brain for who he
reminded me of, and it finally hit me.
SR: Everyone has respect for him that I've talked to.
EW: He's not going to B-S you. He has no hidden agendas, we're bros.
We're going to use him again.
SR: You worked in Malibu and in Oakland.
EW: We did the basic tracks at Malibu. I stayed at Weller's house at
Fantasy Studios in Berkeley. I walked around in the relaxed hippie
atmosphere of Telegraph Avenue. It was a good way for me to clear my
head before going into the studio to lay down the vocals. It was a cool place
to work.
SR: You're using a lot of different voices. On "Flowers" I hear a little
David Bowie in there.
EW: I was just listening to Hunky Dory. I love (he sings) Oh you pretty
thing, don't you know... I love that album. The song, "Flowers" sprang
from our visit to Jim Morrison's grave in Paris. We hung out there all day
in that cemetary. That was a good day, a good memory.
SR: I just saw Bowie with Nine Inch Nails.
EW: It's a bizarre line up in a way. Nine Inch Nails are much bigger than
Bowie at this time.
SR: That's true. Trent Reznor just wanted to tour with his hero and pay his
respects. Bowie, Eno and Fripp were the beginning of industrial.
EW: It's just music to me. If you like it, you like it. Nowadays, I think, the
last couple of years, it's cool to like different types of music. It's alright to
like Machine Head and Smashing Pumpkin or the Beatles. Back in the '80s
it was not cool to admit that to your friends. There had to be a big label on
everything. Like the late '60s, it was just good music. I liked Steppenwolf,
The Doors and The Beatles were my favorite, but Deep Purple was cool. I
have a turntable in my bedroom. When I was kid I'd go into my bedroom
and lock the door and put on my records. I listen to a lot of the old stuff to
get production ideas, but I don't want to sound like anyone else.
SR: How'd you settle on the Monkey's tune, the "Porpoise Song?" Those
guys were always accused of ripping off the Beatles.
EW: I was looking through my old albums and just stumbled across the
song again. I thought it was funny. People are going to look at the booklet
and wonder why we did a Carol King tune. The song reminded me of the
Beatles and everyone loved it, so we recorded it.
SR: Any idea why drummers are so hard to hold onto? It's that Spinal Tap
thing.
EW: I'm not going to say anything about that. In case we can't find one
because of what I said. They're just a different breed. It is harder to find a
good drummer than any other position.
SR: Thanks for not bending your style to fit into the alternative scene. We
need warriors like you.
EW: I don't know what we are. I never considered us heavy metal either.
We're just a heavy rock band.