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Tyrannorabbit



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 28, 2002 12:34 am    Post subject: ONE NATION - UNDER ???? Reply with quote

I find this whole debate to be over something fairly trivial - but then, like most Canadians, I've got God buried in my backyard. (okay, it's just a couple of Mormons)

Still, I wonder how America would feel if all those "God"'s used by the government were replaced by "Allah"'s. That'd be an interesting experiment...
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 28, 2002 12:35 am    Post subject: ONE NATION - UNDER ???? Reply with quote

quote:
Originally posted by Bralalalala:
I think James Hetfield wrote a cool tune about being mistreated by his parents. I think it was "Frayed Ends of Sanity."

"Dyer's Eve".
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 28, 2002 12:38 am    Post subject: ONE NATION - UNDER ???? Reply with quote

quote:
Originally posted by The Dorf:

NP: Platypus - When Pus Comes To Shove (wait a minute, Ty Tabor is a devout Christian - maybe I should listen to something else because of his beliefs. NAAAHHH!!!)

He can't be THAT devout - he's divorced.

That's the funny thing about codified religion - you have to pick and choose what you take and leave, and doing that, the codes themselves lose their power.

Doug Pinnick has pretty much lapsed entirely - not into atheism, but he's definitely not a fan of Christianity anymore.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 28, 2002 12:42 am    Post subject: ONE NATION - UNDER ???? Reply with quote

quote:
Originally posted by Tyrannorabbit:
quote:
Originally posted by The Dorf:

NP: Platypus - When Pus Comes To Shove (wait a minute, Ty Tabor is a devout Christian - maybe I should listen to something else because of his beliefs. NAAAHHH!!!)

He can't be THAT devout - he's divorced.

That's the funny thing about codified religion - you have to pick and choose what you take and leave, and doing that, the codes themselves lose their power.

Doug Pinnick has pretty much lapsed entirely - not into atheism, but he's definitely not a fan of Christianity anymore.

And of course, even the old testament is different than the new testament. Priests must train each other to read either one of them "correctly." NON STOP SIN!
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 28, 2002 6:51 am    Post subject: ONE NATION - UNDER ???? Reply with quote

First of let me say I don't really care if the "God" language is there or not. I'm not sure why it was added to the pledge in the first place. For some reason I always thought this would be an issue someday In this county inundated daily with frivolous lawsuits and countless useless complaints to waste my money. In the end it might be just as easy to take the "one nation under God" phrase out. How hard would that be to just remove it since it was added anyway? That way no one would cry about useless crap anymore.

The funny thing is, that the same people bitching about "God" being mentioned in the Pledge of Allegiance have no problem spending and making money in this country where the bills have [i]"In God We Trust"[/i] printed on them.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 28, 2002 12:59 pm    Post subject: ONE NATION - UNDER ???? Reply with quote

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Originally posted by Icarus:
First of let me say I don't really care if the "God" language is there or not. I'm not sure why it was added to the pledge in the first place.

I've heard a few times that it was tacked on in 1954 as some sort of buffer against the godless communists.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 28, 2002 5:17 pm    Post subject: ONE NATION - UNDER ???? Reply with quote

I think part of the reason why many folks are so up in arms about taking the "under God" part out of the Pledge is that they are being confronted with and/or reminded of the fact that not everyone believes in God. That's a scary thing to a lot of people.
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Mijarra



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 28, 2002 6:46 pm    Post subject: ONE NATION - UNDER ???? Reply with quote

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Originally posted by iwarrior:
I think part of the reason why many folks are so up in arms about taking the "under God" part out of the Pledge is that they are being confronted with and/or reminded of the fact that not everyone believes in God. That's a scary thing to a lot of people.

I think you're right, but the scary part is not so much that there are people who don't believe, it's that the minority who don't believe is able to assert it's will over the silent majority who do believe by manipulating the court system. This is supposed to be a democracy, it is supposed to represent the values and beliefs of the majority of the people, hence the voting process. It is NOT supposed to allow the few to rule the many. Isn't that what freedom of religion stemmed from in the beginning? In England, the MANY (being the common citizens) were being told how to practice religion in society by the FEW (being the ruling class). It's easy to see even from the responses to this thread that most people think it's ridiculous to alter the Pledge due to this numbskull's law suit. Now, if 90% of the people feel one way and 10% feel another then how, in a democracy, can that 10% have their opinion count as more than the 90%? And it's not a matter of right or wrong or civil liberties. There is no right and wrong in a democracy, there is only the choice of the people, and God willing (if I can say that) they choose wise people to lead them. If we were interested in right and wrong we would appoint a council or group to decide what's best for the people on their behalf. Now we're right back to socialism...or worse.
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Subtraction



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 29, 2002 12:06 am    Post subject: ONE NATION - UNDER ???? Reply with quote

So if the majority of people want slaves, then hell let's do it!!! And too bad the government isn't really run this way, the minority is what runs it. The minority of people that are rich and can control the government the way they want it. Oil companies do it all the freaking time, they manipulate the government by giving poloticians money.

And you know what, we do appoint a council that decides what is right and wrong for us, it's called the congress. They are the ones that pass the laws.

And as soon as those people from England came over they told everyone else how to practice. Do you really think that they came over here so that they could be free and let others do the same. The answer is no, they came over here so they could do what they wanted to do and in turn they forced themselves on the Native Americans, doing the same exact thing that was done to them.

I may not exactly agree with the lawsuit but I sure as hell am surprised that he made it that far, what with our government being run by mostly white upper class protestant men. It may have been something that didn't really have to be changed, but I am glad that he could make his way to the top and actually get someone to listen. The Government doesn't like to listen to those kinds of people often, but I suppose it worked this time.

We may boast a fair democracy but we are far from it. And hey, I do love my country don't get me wrong, but we really need to open our eyes and see that big business runs our lives.
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