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George W Bush and the Real State of the Union
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Scott McWhinnie



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 31, 2004 10:52 pm    Post subject: George W Bush and the Real State of the Union Reply with quote

I forgot 1 thing. JGUNS, to amplify one of your points, you have to pay taxes to get a rebate. The janitor probably isn't paying any FIT, but they want "theirs". Well, if you're effective tax rate is -0-, then you can't get a rebate from -0-.

I feel fortunate to be in the 37% (now, after Bush reduced from 39.6%) tax bracket, but every dollar I make, I only keep 60 cent.

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Horace



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2004 3:41 pm    Post subject: George W Bush and the Real State of the Union Reply with quote

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Originally posted by JGUNS:

To the person who said before that the "$200-$600" would not be spent, I can only point out that not only is that figure off when you consider the information that I already supplied, but the economy is proving that to be false. I would also ask if that money would be better off given to the government in order to support more wasteful government projects. Finally, so what if "Dick Cheney" gets a break on his taxes? I find it interesting that Dick Cheney is used as an example, apply the same to Noam Chomsky or Al Franken. Both Idealogues I don't agree with, but I believe they deserve everything that they earned. Remember that Al Gore brokered the sale of a piece of government oil land to an oil company he just happened to own a bunch of stock in himself making a bundle in the process. This oil land increased our dependence on foreign sources of oil, so I don't want to hear any BS about Cheney and oil. He earned his money, pays more than 99% of the people of the country in taxes and consumes nearly none of the services provided.

I can only wonder why people that support the redistribution of wealth and socialist agendas are so full of vitriol. Sucking at the government nipple sounds like a pretty bleak proposition to me.

I don't recall saying anything about oil - and as for Dick Cheney he is a PERFECT example of the kind of multi-millionare that has been sucking on the government teat for ages. These people have been getting corporate welfare, and tax breaks up the wazoo for years. Do you reallly think he got it all through "honest" hard work? How about a combination of special favors,the old-boys network, and a hefty helping of insider deals? Remember Ross Perot? He was America's first corporate welfare BILLIONARE. And the media initially tried to portray him as a self-made hard working man - utterly ridiculous.

As for communism? It's dead and buried. To say that someone that criticizes conservatives and believes in FAIR taxation is a communist/wants to "redistribute" wealth/is a socialist and full of "vitrol" is just a slur.

I run my own self-made business, and it's primarily a customer-service related field (I have a dog-walking/boarding/training business). I don't expect any handouts from the government. I'm happy to pay the taxes IF they get used wisely - and they don't. I'm single and live alone, so I play plenty of taxes. I'm sick of government waste, pork-barrel politics, and a president that has run up the worst deficit in history. Even Joseph C (hardly a left-winger) recognizes that Bush has no control over spending.

Bill "One Armed Bandit" Bennet, Rush "Pillhead" Limbaugh, Strom "Rapist" Thurmond and Newt "Hospital Bed Divorce" Gingrich - I'm pretty sure the left-wingers have a long way to go to catch up in the hypocritical vitrol department. Btw, I think Michael Moore is an idiot, Al Sharpton is a cross between a moron and a racial arsonist, and admire Sen. John McCain, James Carville and Bob Novak, so let's lay off the blanket assumptions.
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iwarrior



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2004 7:18 pm    Post subject: George W Bush and the Real State of the Union Reply with quote

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iwarrior, where do you get such a bleak view of American life? Just looking at some of your comments, I don't understand why you'd bother getting out of bed in the morning if you really believe these things.
I've gotten that way by living as a working person in America.

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Most people may never be "rich", but if a person works their whole life and doesn't manage to save up a little bit of money, they have done something seriously wrong. I understand that this happens to people, but except in tragic situations, it's nobodys fault but theirs.
Not always. Not everyone makes enough money to save. Most people live from paycheck to paycheck.

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Do you really think everyone who has money inherited it or made it in the stock market? Believe it or not, there are people who work damn hard to get what they have, and they deserve every penny of it.
I'm sure many people that are rich do work hard,but many do not. Many just get lucky. Most people who are born poor never climb out of poverty. People who are born rich die rich,and the rich do little to help improve society. many poor and working class people work hard also and never get ahead.

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This is the premise of our nation: hard work = success.
Works on paper. [img]images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img]

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The working class and the poor alone do not make the world function. Imagine your old high school, and what it would be like if the janitor and principal switched places. How well would that work? Take the average factory worker and promote him to CEO, and see how well the company does. The world need all kinds of people, both the working class and the wealthy people pulling the strings. Where I work, people are constantly complaining about the management, but these people could never do better b/c they are either too lazy or too stupid or a combination of both. They THINK they could do better, but the fact that they can't string a logical sentence together or, better yet, arrive at work on time on a consistant basis makes me think otherwise.
Maybe the janitor coul become a principal if he could afford to get an education.

As for management,they'll give any 22 year-old with a degree a management job. This is why managers are sometimes good and sometimes bad. Managers should be chosen from the most experienced workers,but they're not. I've worked in places where 22 year olds with no life or work experience were ordering around 44 year olds who had been with the company for 20 years. That's wrong.

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I don't care if I sound elitist, a janitor is a janitor for a reason. There is nothing wrong with being a janitor, but what you are saying is that a janitor should get the same slice of the pie as the guy with the Harvard MBA who runs the company. No way. I would not want to live in a country where things worked that way. If that is what you really think, why bother trying at all in life?
I'm not saying that a janitor should make as much as a CEO,but he should at least make enough to support himself and his family. And he should be able to get some kind of education w/o having to go into debt for the rest of his life.

Our country refuses to invest in her own people.
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Mijarra



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2004 9:19 pm    Post subject: George W Bush and the Real State of the Union Reply with quote

Again, it seems like you blame people's problems on anyone and everyone but themselves. People are responsible for themselves, and it's up to them to make something of their lives, not the government. No matter how well off you are, there is always someone better off...and no matter how poor you are, there is always someone worse. We play the hand we're dealt in life. If you want to see the world like that, you are only hurting yourself. Myself, I'd rather believe that my success or failure is completely up to me and no one else. If I have bad luck along the way, that's called life and I don't blame others. I wish I was born a Rockefeller, but I wasn't, so I'll go from here.

Do you really think lack of opportunity is what keeps people from succeeding? Sometimes, you're right, but I think more often it's laziness, complacentcy, and bad attitudes. I'll take a 22 year recent grad any day over a 44 year old who has 20 years of negativity, bitching, and moaning along with his experience. I see this every day. People should not be rewarded simply for showing up every day. Labor unions (and I'm in one) have put seniority over hard work. If someone has worked somewhere for 20 years it shows be nothing but the fact that they have learned to properly set an alarm clock. The real question is what have they done in that 20 years.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 03, 2004 7:50 pm    Post subject: George W Bush and the Real State of the Union Reply with quote

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Originally posted by Mijarra:
Again, it seems like you blame people's problems on anyone and everyone but themselves. People are responsible for themselves, and it's up to them to make something of their lives, not the government. No matter how well off you are, there is always someone better off...and no matter how poor you are, there is always someone worse. We play the hand we're dealt in life. If you want to see the world like that, you are only hurting yourself. Myself, I'd rather believe that my success or failure is completely up to me and no one else. If I have bad luck along the way, that's called life and I don't blame others. I wish I was born a Rockefeller, but I wasn't, so I'll go from here.

Do you really think lack of opportunity is what keeps people from succeeding? Sometimes, you're right, but I think more often it's laziness, complacentcy, and bad attitudes. I'll take a 22 year recent grad any day over a 44 year old who has 20 years of negativity, bitching, and moaning along with his experience. I see this every day. People should not be rewarded simply for showing up every day. Labor unions (and I'm in one) have put seniority over hard work. If someone has worked somewhere for 20 years it shows be nothing but the fact that they have learned to properly set an alarm clock. The real question is what have they done in that 20 years.

The vast majority of Americans work their asses off yet have nothing to show for it. They're in debt up to their necks and can't get ahead. Working hard has nothing to do with it. My worldview may be cynical,but yours is painfully naive.
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Mijarra



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 03, 2004 8:54 pm    Post subject: George W Bush and the Real State of the Union Reply with quote

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Originally posted by iwarrior:
The vast majority of Americans work their asses off yet have nothing to show for it. They're in debt up to their necks and can't get ahead. Working hard has nothing to do with it. My worldview may be cynical,but yours is painfully naive.[/QB]

Well, I'll tell you what...I'll go on being naive and you go on being cynical and we'll get together in 10 years and compare notes. I'd rather believe I have no limitations than shoot myself down from the get go. Otherwise, what's the point of this life at all? The world it what you make of it, man.
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