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sabbathian



Joined: 14 Feb 2001
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2001 7:06 pm    Post subject: change Reply with quote

hi guys.i am a newie to this board but like the stuff which you guys have been putting up. i would like your opinion on something which i myself have been thinking about for some time. that is whether bands which have made it big are justified in changing their music, when in the first place they made it big and got lodsa fans bcos of their original music ala metallica etc.
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slavettgrind



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2001 7:17 pm    Post subject: change Reply with quote

I will be slaughtered, but I think experimentation is good. It is not really change, but maturity. Metallica grew up past the Thrash sound and wrote more maturely. Megadeth is the same thing with Risk. I for one love when bands get a little experimental and grow a little. I would rather hear any Def Leppard song from Slang then Let's Get Rocked. Just me. And when Kiss plays stuff like Carnival Of Souls and Revenge, it shows that they can diversify in a good way and be a bit deeper. But I like this trend for only a few albums or so. Then I like to see a mix of before and after. But I will say that change, in musical experimenttion, as long as the hard rock/metal feel is there, is all good.

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Lars37



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2001 7:23 pm    Post subject: change Reply with quote

Welcome!

Personally, I don't mind if a band progresses and their music evolves, it's the attitude shift that bothers me, When a Lars Ulrich will say that "all our previous albums sound like sh!t", that bothers me. After all, if nobody bought those horrible-sounding LP's, they never would have been in a position for Bob ( Doesn't ) Rock to spit-polish their sound and produce slick, lifeless CD's.

Soul Asylum is another perfect example. At one time, they were the best live band ( maybe "most fun live band" is more accurate ) I'd ever seen. Then they polished up their sound, sucked the fun out of it, and had a hit record. So what does Dave Pirner do the first time someone shoves a mike in his face? He trshes all their previous music, calling it "stupid". Again, way to stab your following!

...so changing the music doesn't bug me if the band remins true to themselves and their fans.
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Templar



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2001 8:01 pm    Post subject: change Reply with quote

I don't mind, as long as they don't trash their previous music and all their fans, which is why I loathe Metallica, and will never buy anything of theirs again, even if it sounds like Master of Puppets II. I like Turbo, Point of Entry, KFD, The Elder, and all sorts of experimental albums, so it's not that I'm narrow-minded about trying new things. Some bands keep experimenting and manage to retain my interest, like Rush, and others don't, like Queensryche. Still, I respect Queensryche even if I dislike their music now.
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Mijarra



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2001 8:39 pm    Post subject: change Reply with quote

Welcome to the board sabbathian!

First let me say that I think any band has the right to to whatever they want with their music. I don't think bands should aim their music to please the people, I think they should create music that is meaningful to them and if it attacts fans then so be it. If they lose some fans along the way, then that's just how it goes, as long as they are true to what they feel. This is what I HATE about pop musicians like Madonna, Garth Brooks, or whoever, they are only in it to please the people and make money. As far as the Metallica situation, I did at first support them in their new sound with the idea that, after all, THEY were Metallica and what right do I have to place expectations on them. The thing that eventually turned me against them was that they not only changed their music but the entire persona of the band, almost making you feel like they were a sham of sorts and we were dopes for believing in the old Metallica all along. I think it's a very personal let down for a lot of the older fans like me. This, coupled with the fact that I feel that their music has seriously regressed rather than progressed, has completely turned me off to them. Are they doing all of this to sell albums and make money? It sure seems like it to me, but who knows. Maybe their new bassist, whoever he is, will kick their a$$es back into shape and make them metal again.

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Tyrannorabbit



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2001 9:08 pm    Post subject: change Reply with quote

Change, for the right reasons, is good. If a band is changing, it's probably because they see more possibilities in where they're going than where they've been, and most of the time, they're probably right. Even if a band goes more "mainstream", I'm fine with that if they can do it well. But change for the sake of, say, jumping onto a bandwagon because it's popular at the time, that ain't right.
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Metalfilm1



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 18, 2001 2:04 pm    Post subject: change Reply with quote

Change is good, if it's always Hanes.
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Bonerattler



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 18, 2001 8:55 pm    Post subject: change Reply with quote

Welcome Sabbathian,I am also pretty new to the Hard Board. I believe change must happen. I don't want to listen to a band for years and they keep putting the same album out over and over (Boston), Bands must continue to change with the times and their fans should understand, after all how many times have you or I have changed, it's called maturity.
Like others, prior to me, in this post have said I feel Metallica have matured in their sound. I personally prefer their first thee albums, when they were thrash. But, their songwriting has improved.
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Dutchrocker



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2001 3:36 am    Post subject: change Reply with quote

It remains to be quite subjective to your personal tastes. I for me will be the first to admit that I got stuck in the eighties somewhere and am rather hesitant towards bands changing the thing they've done for so long. We metalheads tend to be a conservative bunch when it comes to our music ... diversity: fine. Acute change: hmmmm ... no. Not for me.

Then again, I've been following paradise Lost for a long time (well, actually from the beginning) and I really like what they've done.

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